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Söderström, TorstenORCID iD iconorcid.org/0000-0003-4619-8879
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Söderström, T. & Soverini, U. (2024). Bias considerations when identifying systems from noisy input-output data - Extensions to general model structures. In: 2024 European Control Conference, ECC 2024: . Paper presented at European Control Conference (ECC), June 25-28, 2024, Stockholm, Sweden (pp. 3564-3569). Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE)
Open this publication in new window or tab >>Bias considerations when identifying systems from noisy input-output data - Extensions to general model structures
2024 (English)In: 2024 European Control Conference, ECC 2024, Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE), 2024, p. 3564-3569Conference paper, Published paper (Refereed)
Abstract [en]

Standard identification methods give biased parameter estimates when recorded signals are corrupted by noise on both input and output sides. In previous papers it has been shown that the bias is significant in case the system is almost non-identifiable. This situation is investigated here for some general model structures.

Place, publisher, year, edition, pages
Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE), 2024
Keywords
System identification, Errors-in-variables, Bias
National Category
Control Engineering Information Systems
Identifiers
urn:nbn:se:uu:diva-554593 (URN)10.23919/ECC64448.2024.10590941 (DOI)001290216503048 ()2-s2.0-85200577261 (Scopus ID)9798331540920 (ISBN)9783907144107 (ISBN)
Conference
European Control Conference (ECC), June 25-28, 2024, Stockholm, Sweden
Available from: 2025-04-15 Created: 2025-04-15 Last updated: 2025-04-15Bibliographically approved
Söderström, T. (2024). Relations between prediction error and maximum likelihood methods in an error-in-variables setting. In: 2024 European Control Conference (ECC): . Paper presented at European Control Conference, Stockholm, 25-28 June, 2024 (pp. 3124-3129). Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE)
Open this publication in new window or tab >>Relations between prediction error and maximum likelihood methods in an error-in-variables setting
2024 (English)In: 2024 European Control Conference (ECC), Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE), 2024, p. 3124-3129Conference paper, Published paper (Refereed)
Place, publisher, year, edition, pages
Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE), 2024
National Category
Control Engineering
Identifiers
urn:nbn:se:uu:diva-544037 (URN)10.23919/ECC64448.2024.10590809 (DOI)001290216502139 ()2-s2.0-85200542809 (Scopus ID)9798331540920 (ISBN)9783907144107 (ISBN)
Conference
European Control Conference, Stockholm, 25-28 June, 2024
Available from: 2024-11-28 Created: 2024-11-28 Last updated: 2025-04-15Bibliographically approved
Söderström, T. & Soverini, U. (2023). Aspects on errors-in-variables identification: Some ways to mitigate a large bias. Paper presented at 22nd World Congress of the International Federation of Automatic Control (IFAC), July 9-14, 2023, Yokohama, Japan. IFAC-PapersOnLine, 56(2), 4019-4024
Open this publication in new window or tab >>Aspects on errors-in-variables identification: Some ways to mitigate a large bias
2023 (English)In: IFAC-PapersOnLine, E-ISSN 2405-8963, Vol. 56, no 2, p. 4019-4024Article in journal (Refereed) Published
Abstract [en]

Standard identification methods give biased parameter estimates when the recorded signals are corrupted by noise on both input and output sides. When the system is close to be non-identifiable, the bias can be large. The paper discusses the possibilities and potential benefits when using either a reduced model structure or a full errors-in-variables model. The case of using an instrumental variable estimator is also treated.

Place, publisher, year, edition, pages
Elsevier, 2023
Keywords
System Identification, Errors-in-variables, Bias
National Category
Control Engineering Information Systems
Identifiers
urn:nbn:se:uu:diva-533861 (URN)10.1016/j.ifacol.2023.10.1383 (DOI)001196709200149 ()
Conference
22nd World Congress of the International Federation of Automatic Control (IFAC), July 9-14, 2023, Yokohama, Japan
Available from: 2024-07-01 Created: 2024-07-01 Last updated: 2024-07-01Bibliographically approved
Söderström, T. (2023). Relations Between Prediction Error and Maximum Likelihood Methods in an Error-in-Variables Setting. Extended version with full proofs (ed.). Department of Information Technology, Uppsala University
Open this publication in new window or tab >>Relations Between Prediction Error and Maximum Likelihood Methods in an Error-in-Variables Setting. Extended version with full proofs
2023 (English)Report (Other academic)
Abstract [en]

Prediction error (PE) and maximum likelihood (ML) methods are often treated as synonyms when identifying linear dynamic systems from Gaussian data. It is shown how these methods differ when specifically dealing with errors-in-variables problems. These problems can modeled using multivariable times series with a specific internal structure. In such situations the ML estimates have lower variances than the PE estimates. Explicit expressions for the covariance matrices of the estimates are given and analyzed. For the special case when the unperturbed input is white noise it is shown that the PE estimate is not identifiable, while the ML estimates still have quite small variances. Another special case concerns non-Gaussian data. In that case a pseudo-ML estimate (using the ML criterion as if the data were Gaussian) will no longer be superior to the PE estimate in terms of error variances.

Place, publisher, year, edition, pages
Department of Information Technology, Uppsala University, 2023
Series
Technical report / Department of Information Technology, Uppsala University, ISSN 1404-3203 ; 2023-003
National Category
Probability Theory and Statistics
Identifiers
urn:nbn:se:uu:diva-529484 (URN)
Available from: 2024-05-28 Created: 2024-05-28 Last updated: 2024-05-28Bibliographically approved
Söderström, T. & Soverini, U. (2022). When Are Errors-in-Variables Aspects Important to Consider in System Identification?. In: 2022 European Control Conference (ECC): . Paper presented at European Control Conference (ECC), July 12-15, 2022, London, England (pp. 315-320). Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE)
Open this publication in new window or tab >>When Are Errors-in-Variables Aspects Important to Consider in System Identification?
2022 (English)In: 2022 European Control Conference (ECC), Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE), 2022, p. 315-320Conference paper, Published paper (Refereed)
Abstract [en]

When recorded signals are corrupted by noise on both input and output sides, standard identification methods give biased parameter estimates, due to the presence of input noise. This paper discusses in what situations such a bias is large and, consequently, when errors-in-variables identification methods should preferably be used.

Place, publisher, year, edition, pages
Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE), 2022
Keywords
system identification, errors-in-variables, bias, parameter estimation, output error model
National Category
Control Engineering
Identifiers
urn:nbn:se:uu:diva-487624 (URN)10.23919/ECC55457.2022.9838030 (DOI)000857432300042 ()978-3-907144-07-7 (ISBN)978-1-6654-9733-6 (ISBN)
Conference
European Control Conference (ECC), July 12-15, 2022, London, England
Available from: 2022-11-04 Created: 2022-11-04 Last updated: 2023-05-02Bibliographically approved
Soverini, U. & Söderström, T. (2020). Blind identification of two-channel FIR systems: a frequency domain approach. In: IFAC PapersOnline: . Paper presented at 21st IFAC World Congress on Automatic Control - Meeting Societal Challenges, JUL 11-17, 2020, ELECTR NETWORK (pp. 914-920). Elsevier BV, 53(2)
Open this publication in new window or tab >>Blind identification of two-channel FIR systems: a frequency domain approach
2020 (English)In: IFAC PapersOnline, Elsevier BV , 2020, Vol. 53, no 2, p. 914-920Conference paper, Published paper (Refereed)
Abstract [en]

This paper describes a new approach for the blind identification of a two-channel FIR system from a finite number of output measurements, in the presence of additive and uncorrelated white noise. The proposed approach is based on frequency domain data and, as a major novelty, it enables the estimation to be frequency selective. The features of the proposed method are analyzed by means of Monte Carlo simulations. The benefits of filtering the data and using only part of the frequency domain are highlighted by means of a numerical example.

Place, publisher, year, edition, pages
Elsevier BV, 2020
Keywords
Blind identification, FIR systems, Discrete Fourier Transform
National Category
Signal Processing Control Engineering
Identifiers
urn:nbn:se:uu:diva-447685 (URN)10.1016/j.ifacol.2020.12.855 (DOI)000652592500148 ()
Conference
21st IFAC World Congress on Automatic Control - Meeting Societal Challenges, JUL 11-17, 2020, ELECTR NETWORK
Available from: 2021-06-29 Created: 2021-06-29 Last updated: 2021-06-29Bibliographically approved
Soverini, U. & Söderström, T. (2020). Frequency domain identification of FIR models in the presence of additive input-output noise. Automatica, 115, Article ID 108879.
Open this publication in new window or tab >>Frequency domain identification of FIR models in the presence of additive input-output noise
2020 (English)In: Automatica, ISSN 0005-1098, E-ISSN 1873-2836, Vol. 115, article id 108879Article in journal (Refereed) Published
Abstract [en]

This paper describes a new approach for identifying FIR models from a finite number of measurements, in the presence of additive and uncorrelated white noise. In particular, two different frequency domain algorithms are proposed. The first algorithm is based on some theoretical results concerning the dynamic Frisch scheme. The second algorithm maps the FIR identification problem into a quadratic eigenvalue problem. Both methods resemble in many aspects some other identification algorithms, originally developed in the time domain. The features of the proposed methods are compared with each other and with those of some time domain algorithms by means of Monte Carlo simulations.

Place, publisher, year, edition, pages
PERGAMON-ELSEVIER SCIENCE LTD, 2020
Keywords
System identification, FIR models, Discrete Fourier transform
National Category
Control Engineering
Identifiers
urn:nbn:se:uu:diva-410883 (URN)10.1016/j.automatica.2020.108879 (DOI)000525865500026 ()
Available from: 2020-05-26 Created: 2020-05-26 Last updated: 2020-05-26Bibliographically approved
Soverini, U. & Söderström, T. (2020). The Frisch scheme for EIV system identification: time and frequency domain formulations. In: IFAC PapersOnline: . Paper presented at 21st IFAC World Congress on Automatic Control - Meeting Societal Challenges, JUL 11-17, 2020, ELECTR NETWORK (pp. 907-913). Elsevier BV, 53(2)
Open this publication in new window or tab >>The Frisch scheme for EIV system identification: time and frequency domain formulations
2020 (English)In: IFAC PapersOnline, Elsevier BV , 2020, Vol. 53, no 2, p. 907-913Conference paper, Published paper (Refereed)
Abstract [en]

Several estimation methods have been proposed for identifying errors-in-variables systems, where both input and output measurements are corrupted by noise. One of the more interesting approaches is the Frisch scheme. The method can be applied using either time or frequency domain representations. This paper investigates the general mathematical and geometrical aspects of the Frisch scheme, illustrating the analogies and the differences between the time and frequency domain formulations.

Place, publisher, year, edition, pages
Elsevier BV, 2020
Keywords
System identification, EIV models, Frisch scheme, Discrete Fourier Transform
National Category
Signal Processing Control Engineering
Identifiers
urn:nbn:se:uu:diva-447686 (URN)10.1016/j.ifacol.2020.12.851 (DOI)000652592500147 ()
Conference
21st IFAC World Congress on Automatic Control - Meeting Societal Challenges, JUL 11-17, 2020, ELECTR NETWORK
Available from: 2021-06-29 Created: 2021-06-29 Last updated: 2021-06-29Bibliographically approved
Verbeke, D., Söderström, T. & Soverini, U. (2019). A note on the estimation of real- and complex-valued parameters in frequency domain maximum likelihood identification. Automatica, 110, Article ID 108584.
Open this publication in new window or tab >>A note on the estimation of real- and complex-valued parameters in frequency domain maximum likelihood identification
2019 (English)In: Automatica, ISSN 0005-1098, E-ISSN 1873-2836, Vol. 110, article id 108584Article in journal (Refereed) Published
Abstract [en]

Recently, maximum likelihood estimators were derived for frequency domain identification of linear time-invariant models with Gaussian input output uncertainty. This note draws attention to an issue that arises in one of the steps in the optimization of the likelihood function.

Keywords
Errors-in-variables, Maximum likelihood, Frequency domain, Linear time-invariant dynamical systems
National Category
Control Engineering
Identifiers
urn:nbn:se:uu:diva-397962 (URN)10.1016/j.automatica.2019.108584 (DOI)000495491900023 ()
Available from: 2019-12-06 Created: 2019-12-06 Last updated: 2019-12-06Bibliographically approved
Söderström, T. (2019). A user perspective on errors-in-variables methods in system identification. Control Engineering Practice, 89, 56-69
Open this publication in new window or tab >>A user perspective on errors-in-variables methods in system identification
2019 (English)In: Control Engineering Practice, ISSN 0967-0661, E-ISSN 1873-6939, Vol. 89, p. 56-69Article in journal (Refereed) Published
National Category
Control Engineering
Identifiers
urn:nbn:se:uu:diva-392575 (URN)10.1016/j.conengprac.2019.05.013 (DOI)000477785800005 ()
Available from: 2019-05-30 Created: 2019-09-09 Last updated: 2019-09-20Bibliographically approved
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